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Beginner biker needs advice
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Heather M
2004-10-05 18:53:29 UTC
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I am interested in getting started in off-road biking. The problem
is, I don't know many people involved in this activity so I need some
advice from fellow bikers. I was wondering what the best kind of bike
is for starters (keep in mind i'm not looking to spend more than
$350). Also, if anyone is from the western PA area, do you know of
any good places to ride that aren't too challenging for a beginner?
Any other advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

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The Wheelman
2004-10-06 07:42:38 UTC
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"The best kind of bicycle" is like the best kind of shoes. The best ride
is the one that best fits the rider. Not just your anatomy, but your
style of riding, the places you wish to ride, etc.etc.etc.

The best bet is to "sit down" with someone who knows the sport and the
areas you wish to ride and discuss your wants and needs.

- -

"May you have the wind at your back.
And a really low gear for the hills!"

Chris Zacho ~ "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"

Chris'Z Corner
http://www.geocities.com/czcorner

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Doki
2004-10-09 16:30:02 UTC
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Post by Heather M
I am interested in getting started in off-road biking. The problem
is, I don't know many people involved in this activity so I need some
advice from fellow bikers. I was wondering what the best kind of bike
is for starters (keep in mind i'm not looking to spend more than
$350).
A second hand one, IMO. Try and find someone who has some clue about how a
bike works to come and look at it so that you don't buy something with
knackered forks / bearings, as things breaking could wipe out most of the
savign on a new bike. That said, a $350 new bike isn't going to get you
far - I'd go for something fully rigid or hardtail at the price, and expect
to be replacing suspension forks / selling it and trading up pretty soon.


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Gwood
2004-10-13 00:49:43 UTC
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To the original poster :

I concur that buying used is the way to go in this price range. I just sold
my VGC Kona Nunu this spring for $325. Barely a stock piece on it other
than the frame, all well maintained, just a few years old and a good daily
ride.

The buyer was so stoked when she rode it that it made me glad it was going
to an appreciative home. She had checked several bikes in the local
marketplace around the same price and was very dissapointed. Most were
low-end Acera specials with one or two rides on them that newbie consumers
figured were worth close to their retail prices.

The used marketplace can offer some real gems, but you need to know what
you're looking for. Get a bike geek friend to help, or take some time and
educate yourself. Otherwise you might be better off to try your LBS. At
least a good one will try to fit you for your money.

Cheers
Gary
Post by Doki
Post by Heather M
I am interested in getting started in off-road biking. The problem
is, I don't know many people involved in this activity so I need some
advice from fellow bikers. I was wondering what the best kind of bike
is for starters (keep in mind i'm not looking to spend more than
$350).
A second hand one, IMO. Try and find someone who has some clue about how a
bike works to come and look at it so that you don't buy something with
knackered forks / bearings, as things breaking could wipe out most of the
savign on a new bike. That said, a $350 new bike isn't going to get you
far - I'd go for something fully rigid or hardtail at the price, and expect
to be replacing suspension forks / selling it and trading up pretty soon.
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x***@jelly.toast.net
2005-01-27 21:13:35 UTC
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How hard are you going to ride? How often?

I would recommend a full suspension bike, I found hardtail a little too
hard.

I disagree violently with buying used. Get over to Dicks Sports and
buy whatever is on sale. I bought a Coil X, Diamondback, for $269.00.
Good deal, and all the bike I will ever need. Why buy used when you
can get brand new? Ride it for ahile, then you will know what you want
for your next bike, if ever. Make sure you got a good front fork...the
cheap ones don't have as much depth as the better ones, measure the
steel, you will see what I mean. Disc brakes are for show offs. Use
the money you save to buy a better seat.

Xiaoding

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cc
2005-01-28 12:12:12 UTC
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Post by x***@jelly.toast.net
How hard are you going to ride? How often?
I would recommend a full suspension bike, I found hardtail a little too
hard.
I disagree violently with buying used. Get over to Dicks Sports and
buy whatever is on sale. I bought a Coil X, Diamondback, for $269.00.
Good deal, and all the bike I will ever need. Why buy used when you
can get brand new? Ride it for ahile, then you will know what you want
for your next bike, if ever. Make sure you got a good front fork...the
cheap ones don't have as much depth as the better ones, measure the
steel, you will see what I mean. Disc brakes are for show offs. Use
the money you save to buy a better seat.
FYI: This person has no idea what they are talking about. His bike is meant
for riding to the grocery store. If you too want to ride to the grocery
store, follow his advice.


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x***@jelly.toast.net
2005-01-28 16:40:56 UTC
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Realy enjoyed your informative reply. The point-by-point refutation
was priceless. You are as knowledgable as you are smart, I'm sure.
Xiaoding

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cc
2005-01-30 03:52:31 UTC
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Post by x***@jelly.toast.net
Realy enjoyed your informative reply. The point-by-point refutation
was priceless. You are as knowledgable as you are smart, I'm sure.
Xiaoding
Sometimes you just don't know where to start. I mean, for example, what do
you say to Hitler?


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Gwood
2005-02-02 15:22:03 UTC
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OK, ok, I know I shouldn't, but...

You'd go a long way just to find a decent fork for $269 retail. A crappy
fork is adequate for riding to the market. A fork intended to be used in
off-read conditions needs to be of a certain basic quality or it can
actually be unsafe. The explanation you gave of fork attributes was lame,
and has little to do with the expected performance a fork might deliver.
"Measure the steel"???? More exposed leg on a cheap fork just makes it
heavy and sloppy, more likely to fail if ever challenged.

A good bike is composed of a quality frame and decent components bolted onto
it. A quality frame is made of a material that suits your purpose, a design
that suits your purpose (AND works), construction and welds that are
durable, and a geometry and size that matches the rider's anatomy as well as
intended riding style. The components can be boiled down into drive train,
brakes and steerage. All of these pieces come in levels of crap, poor,
good, better, best. As "cc" alluded to in the prior post, there are a ton of
factors that contribute to the differences in quality and cost, explaining
them here would take volumes... A combination of poor frame and crap
components is what you'll get at a department store for $269. I mean,
c'mon, the store is still making a profit, so they probably paid $200 for
it, and the manufacturer is making money, so.... well, you get what you pay
for in the retail world. Or are you getting your lunches for free?

While I don't bother disagreeing "violently" over anything, advising someone
against buying used is irresponsible when the alternative is a department
store bike. What you CAN get in a decent used bike is twice the quality for
the same price as retail junk. I have bought and sold many used bikes in my
"bike lifetime", and every one of them would be worth easily twice the
amount on your LBS floor. Bikes devalue drastically over the first year or
two, so a patient and thorough shopper can save a bundle. Used bikes can
also be junk - heck, some of them started out as those same department store
bikes, then sat unused in somebody's garage. So a purchaser should do a
little homework, make up their own mind on the level of quality that matches
their needs and pocketbook, then determine if they want new or used.

FWIW, I am writing this in the hopes that the original poster would have a
chance to see it. I hope you have a lot of fun on your Coil X Diamondback,
but do yourself a favor and don't try to use it off the gravel paths.

Gary
Post by x***@jelly.toast.net
Realy enjoyed your informative reply. The point-by-point refutation
was priceless. You are as knowledgable as you are smart, I'm sure.
Xiaoding
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cc
2005-02-02 13:45:17 UTC
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For the sake of whomever originally posted this . .
Post by x***@jelly.toast.net
I would recommend a full suspension bike, I found hardtail a little too
hard.
Unless you're spending ~$1K or more, full suspension is not worth it. The
money would be much better spent on upgrades to other components, e.g. the
frame, brakes, or drivetrain.
Post by x***@jelly.toast.net
I disagree violently with buying used.
You are in the minority. Visit alt.mountain-bike and try defending that
opinion. You can generally get a bike for ~1/2 or less of what it cost new,
depending on how hard you look and how far you go back. Keep in mind,
however, that many technologies have improved leaps and bounds over the last
five years, in particular suspensions. Just take it for a ride . . it's just
about doing the research and knowing what you're looking for. If you don't,
you might not get what you want. Sounds like X might have ended up on the
wrong end of that stick.

I just bought a '99 Rocky Mountain Oxygen Race for ~$400 with a great
component group. It's my main rig, and an excellent one at that. Compare
that price with ~$1200-1300 new. It's in great condition and should last me
many years to come.

Get over to Dicks Sports and
Post by x***@jelly.toast.net
buy whatever is on sale.
Yes, that's a great idea. Um, not. Sports stores do not generally carry real
bikes, and are not equipped with informed sales staff to help you make
decisions. Go to an LBS and shop around. Ride them, ask questions, and make
sure that you are comfortable with the personnel. The idea would be to
develop a relationship with the shop, who will generally be there for you if
you drop some $$ on a bike in their store. You'd be surprised what you can
get a mech to do to your bike for a six-pack. You'll be dealing with them
if/when you need repairs for your bike, so you want it to be a positive
relationship.

I bought a Coil X, Diamondback, for $269.00.

This is a bike-shaped toy. The rear suspension on this bike is worse than
none at all. It will suck your power on hills and otherwise be a pain in
your ass.
Post by x***@jelly.toast.net
Good deal, and all the bike I will ever need.
If that's the case, X, you should've bought a Specialized Hard Rock or
another entry-level bike from a reputable bike manufacturer.

Why buy used when you
Post by x***@jelly.toast.net
can get brand new?
Because you can get twice the bike for half the money. You could have had a
used Rockhopper for that.

Ride it for ahile, then you will know what you want
Post by x***@jelly.toast.net
for your next bike, if ever. Make sure you got a good front fork...the
cheap ones don't have as much depth as the better ones, measure the
steel, you will see what I mean.
Well, you didn't get a good front fork, so I'm guessing you don't really
know what you mean. There is much more to a fork than travel.

Disc brakes are for show offs.

No, disc brakes are for better modulation and stopping in rain and mud. I
agree that you shouldn't be looking for them on a bike until you are also
looking at rear suspension (unless you ride in conditions that warrant
them), but don't discount them as X has.

Use
Post by x***@jelly.toast.net
the money you save to buy a better seat.
Right. You could buy some tassels and a bell too.



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